What APC should learn from PDP
Under that kind of arrangement, senior party members are
given the opportunity to discuss governmental affairs, to challenge government
policies and such.
I believe that it is very good for the system because some
of these presidents because of their military background and other
idiosyncrasies don’t like to be challenged.
Did these meetings help to stave
off some of those attempts to remove you? In spite of the caucus meetings, the
attempts to have me impeached as speaker were ongoing.
It was an ongoing
project from the time I became speaker to the time I left the House of
Representatives, but I never allowed those attempts to cloud my objectivity and
the sad thing about the existing situation is that the party that is ruling
today is as a senior member of the party, the last time I attended any caucus
meeting or Board of Trustees meeting was in February 2016 and that was one year
five months ago! Which means that there is no synergy within the party, there
is a disconnect within the party.
Is
that a breakdown of the system in the party? The system is breaking down
because government doesn’t feel obliged to be accountable to the party that
brought it to power whereas at the same time they are demanding accountability
from all institutions of government.
It is a contradiction. Anybody who is
elected must be accountable, and that is the reason I believe they don’t like
the caucus meetings because they give senior party members the opportunity to
advance, give their opinion and to even mingle with senior party members like
the president which they ordinarily would not have an opportunity for.
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Is this
not the reason we are now having controversies over the budget and confirmation
of Ibrahim Magu as chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission?
All these things revolve around the philosophy of separation of powers.
The
legislature has no right to propose appropriation, only the president is
empowered to initiate appropriation, and the constitution asks the president to
submit estimates to the legislature.
What normally happens is that the
legislature has a Majority Leader who is in charge of all the business of the
legislature, being the leader of the party in power.
Normally, when the
appropriation is received, the Majority Leader has the responsibility of
preparing the bill on behalf of the executive because once estimates are in the
legislature, the executive cannot do anything.
So since they are from the same
party and it is expected that the appropriation would have been discussed
before then, it is the duty of the leader to prepare a bill and present to the
larger House whether it is the Senate or the House.
The legislature is supposed
to prescribe the way money is spent by the executive, period! But over time,
opinions are being formed; some are of the view that the legislature has the
power to decrease the amount proposed by the executive but cannot increase, some
will say that you can increase but you can also decrease and all this is very,
very uncomfortable because the constitution is clear.
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The spirit of the
Constitution is that both the legislature and executive are working for the
people. So, what are the best possible means for them to work together? Because
if each of them should insist on its power, nothing will go on.
So, the
expectation is that before they commence the appropriation process, the
executive or the president must call the party, must call the legislature and
also, other stakeholders, whether it is on zonal basis or otherwise so that
what should be in the budget should be discussed.
What are the priorities of
the party? What the party promised the people during the campaign.
All of these
things should be discussed, and we used to do these things during our caucus
meetings from 1999 to 2001.
In fact, there was a time a committee was set up
headed by former Vice-President Alex Ekwueme to discuss with us on the
possibility of having certain projects in the budget; that the legislators
wanted to see in the budget and the possibility of deferring some projects for
a supplementary budget which would come in September 2001.
He came with us,
discussed with us and we accepted. Indeed, nobody knew about this until now
that I am saying it.
This is what we call preventive diplomacy; we do things
without anybody knowing because it was not necessary.
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And there was another
time during the caucus meetings because we had conflicts over certain issues
but the legislature and the executive were asked to correct the Constitution
and each one of the institutions were asked to present to the caucus what they
viewed to be their position.
We did it, and the president appointed a team
under the Attorney General, they did their own, and we did our own, we
presented to the caucus, and certain agreements were reached, and I think it
was healthy for the system.
But today, even interventions, there is nobody to
do it. What were the intrigues that shadowed your re-election quest? The night
before the primary election some of the delegates came and said that the state
governor had asked that they should be rounded up and some of them were
promised money, machines, and cloth so that they don’t vote for me.
There was
collusion between the president and my governor, and therefore they wanted me
to arrange so that they could be taken somewhere.
What we did that night was to
arrange for them to sleep in Katsina.
I was Speaker, and this was happening to
me.
They slept in Katsina and around 7.00 a.m. they returned to Kano and went
straight to the venue.
The election was to begin around 11.00 O’Clock, and
suddenly we discovered that the state government had abducted the chairman of
the panel sent from Abuja to supervise the primary.
They went on to declare
that election in my constituency will not take place because there was a
security situation which was false.
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Around 2.00 p.m. an SSS assistant director
based in Kano but from Ogun State came to me and said ‘sir, I have heard what
is being arranged against you, and as long as I am in Kano, nobody can do that
to you.
He told me to give him time to go and look for that chairman, wherever
he is, and bring him out.
I thanked him, and he left. Around 6.00 p.m. he came
back and told me that he had located the guy in the Government House and that I
should arrange for women dress for him so that he can go and bring him out! We
got the women dress for him, and he left, and around 8.00 p.m. he came back and
told me that he had taken the man out.
As at that time the SSS man advised that
the election should not take place until after midnight and the election
started by 2.00 a.m. and finished around 4.30 a.m. this tells you the extent to
which certain governors could go.
How can we manage the calls for restructuring?
People are calling for restructuring because there is a perception that this
system is not working.
That there is no justice in the system.
We must have a
system that is healthy, and unless we have a system that is healthy, this call
for restructuring will continue and I personally I am in favour of some of
it.
What aspect? More power should be
devolved to the states and this I believe will help the system especially as it
pertains to agriculture.
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